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Author: | iar [ Sat 09. Apr 2005 15:03 ] |
Post subject: | Þyngd felgna og áhrif |
Ég rakst á þetta áðan og finnst mjög fróðlegt! Langaði að deila þessu hingað og etv. líka tilvalið innlegg í ze German style þráðinn því þetta hefur líka með stærð á felgum að gera. Sérstaklega fróðlegt hvað margfeldisáhrifin af "unsprung" (ísl.?) þyngd eru mikil. Þetta er eitthvað sem þarf að hafa í huga þegar keyptar eru ódýrar replicur af BMW/Alpina/BBS/whatever því þær eru oft mikið þyngri en orginallinn. Til dæmis 2kg þyngdarmunur á hverri felgu getur verið svipað og vera alltaf með einn auka farþega í bílnum. ![]() Quote: Sprung Weight
Sprung weight is the weight supported by the springs. For example: the vehicle's body, frame, motor, transmission, interior, fuel, and passengers would be sprung weight. A simple concept to grasp. Basically, the sprung weight of the car is the car's mass as seen to the suspension components. Unsprung Weight This is one of the most critical factors affecting a vehicle's road holding ability. Unsprung weight is that portion of a vehicle that is not supported by the suspension (i.e. wheels, tires and brakes) and therefore is the most susceptible to road shock and cornering forces. By reducing unsprung weight, alloy wheels provide more precise steering input and improved "turning in" characteristics. So what. SO WHAT!? This is a key concept that many people overlook. We have been telling you for a long time now to get light weight wheels and tires. Here's how it all comes together. Every time you hit a bump, the wheel assembly is accelerated upwards, decelerates to a stop, then accelerates downward till it reaches equilibrium. If the wheel can’t accelerate fast enough, shock is transmitted to the body, which may upset the balance of the car. A s an example think of small, sharp edged speed bumps versus those gigantic, but wide, monsters in some lots. The sharp edged ones are much more annoying to traverse, aren’t they? That’s because they require the suspension to accelerate more rapidly. Now imagine going over some stutter bumps in a corner. You’ll have a very rapid series of accelerations and decelerations. If the wheel is lighter, it will accelerate upwards and downwards faster (a=F/m). This means it will follow the road better and, even more importantly, it will allow the suspension to work better. The shock and spring will have to control less unsprung weight/mass, which means they can stop and start the motion of the assembly easier and at a rapid pace. Why Reduce Unspring Wieght? Reducing unsprung weight minimizes the load placed on controlling the motion of the wheels and tires. This means that suspension springs and shock absorbers will have a greater reserve capacity to control body motion -- just as they were intended to! The result is better handling, which we, as tuners, are all after. Rotational inertia is a concept a bit more difficult to deal with than unsprung weight. Inertia can be thought of as why a car wants to keep rolling once moving, or remain in place once stopped (unless you forget to set the parking brake on that hill). I believe the terms momentum and inertia are interchangeable. The term “flywheel effect” also refers to these concepts. In a car, there are a number of rotating masses which require energy to accelerate. Up front, ignoring the internal engine components like the crankshaft, we have to worry about the flywheel, clutch assembly, gears, axles, brake rotors and wheel/tire. Out back its a little simpler (for FWD) with just the brakes and wheel/tire contributing most of the mass. The more mass an object has, the more energy it takes to accelerate it. To accelerate a rolling object such as a wheel, you must both accelerate its mass plus overcome its rotational inertia. As for braking, you must overcome its rotational inertia plus decelerate its mass. By reducing the weight of the vehicle's rotational mass, lightweight wheels provide more responsive acceleration and braking. Before continuing with our informal analysis here, I want to point out something very important about rotational inertia. We’ve all seen the ice skating move where the skater starts spinning. She pulls her arms in and speeds up, then extends them again and slows down. Why is this? Well, the further a mass is from the center of rotation, the faster it must travel for a given angular speed (how many degrees of an arc it traverses per time unit). The faster anything moves, the more energy it has, so when the arms are pulled in, conservation of energy says that the rotation rate must increase due to equal energy being applied to the same mass over a smaller diameter. Applying this to wheels and tires, which have most of their mass spread as far as possible from the rotation center, I think you’ll agree that it naturally takes more energy to accelerate them. Example: Take a two identical masses, but one is a solid disk of diameter D, the other is a ring of diameter 2D. The ring will require more force to accelerate it (in a rotational manner). Therefore a heavier rim with a smaller diameter could have less rotational mass than a lighter rim of a larger size, and accelerate faster with the same force applied. The effect of rotating mass can be calculated using Moment of Inertia (MOI). MoI is related to not only the mass of the rotating object, but the distribution of that mass around the rotational center. The further from the center, the higher the MoI. The higher the MoI, the more torque required to accelerate the object. The higher the acceleration, the higher the torque required. Because of this, the weight of rotating mass such as wheels and tires on a car have a bigger effect on acceleration than static weight such as on the chassis on a car. When purchasing new wheels and tires for a performance car, it can be useful to compare the effects of different wheel and tire combinations. This is especially true when considering upgrading to larger wheels or tires on a car. The use of light-weight alloys in wheels reduces rotational mass. This means that less energy will be required to accelerate the wheel. Given that each pound of rotational mass lost provides an equivalent performance gain as a 10 pound reduction in vehicle weight, the benefits of light alloy wheels on vehicle performance cannot be overlooked. For example: A reduction in the weight of the rim/tire assembly of 5lbs x 4 (all around the car) is equivalent to a 200lb weight reduction in vehicle weight (thats worth 0.200 in the 1/4 mile) Tekið af: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh ... p?t=187580 |
Author: | arnib [ Sat 09. Apr 2005 15:07 ] |
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ísl: Ófjöðruð þyngd? ![]() |
Author: | arnib [ Sat 09. Apr 2005 15:15 ] |
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Að mínu mati ætti þetta líka að gilda nákvæmlega eins um flywheel, og sannar þar með að léttara(1) flywheel gefur þér fleiri hestöfl! (1) Raunverulega ekki nauðsynlega léttara, nóg er að massinn sé concentrated (ísl?) nær miðju svo að hverfitregðan verði lægri. |
Author: | Svezel [ Sat 09. Apr 2005 15:42 ] |
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arnib wrote: Að mínu mati ætti þetta líka að gilda nákvæmlega eins um flywheel,
og sannar þar með að léttara(1) flywheel gefur þér fleiri hestöfl! (1) Raunverulega ekki nauðsynlega léttara, nóg er að massinn sé concentrated (ísl?) nær miðju svo að hverfitregðan verði lægri. ég er enn að vinna að variable innertia flywheelinu árni ![]() |
Author: | arnib [ Sat 09. Apr 2005 15:45 ] |
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Svezel wrote: arnib wrote: Að mínu mati ætti þetta líka að gilda nákvæmlega eins um flywheel, og sannar þar með að léttara(1) flywheel gefur þér fleiri hestöfl! (1) Raunverulega ekki nauðsynlega léttara, nóg er að massinn sé concentrated (ísl?) nær miðju svo að hverfitregðan verði lægri. ég er enn að vinna að variable innertia flywheelinu árni ![]() Ég tek 50% af gróðanum ![]() |
Author: | gstuning [ Sat 09. Apr 2005 16:59 ] |
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Án þess að hafa lesið þetta Offsett á felgum kemur þarna sterklega inní þar sem að það staðsetur þyngdina frá hreyfi ásum, það er þess vegna sem fyrirtæki eru að reyna smíða bíla með há offsett t,d Z4 er með mjög há offsett, Porsche líka Hérna er ummfjöllun um þetta á E30 bílum, http://www.e30m3performance.com/tech_ar ... ticles.htm Margt mjög gott að vita |
Author: | Eggert [ Sat 09. Apr 2005 18:33 ] |
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