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PostPosted: Thu 25. Aug 2005 16:44 
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Daginn,

Heyriði, ég sökka í að leita á netinu svo ég fann ekki neitt :oops:
en veit einhver um síðu þar sem er farið í saumana á því hvað þarf að
gera þegar IX mótor er breitt í I mótor? M20B25 úr E30 s.s.

Eða er einhver hérna sem veit þetta og gæti mögulega miðlað af visku sinni í sem mestu smáatriðum? :?

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Held að það séu aðallega mótorfestingarnar sem þarf að breyta og hvort olíupannan var ekki líka eitthvað öðruvísi... bara eitthvað sem ég las einhvern tíman

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ég er að meina olíushittið og allt það, hvernig maður græjar það....

svo sem slétt sama um allt annað, þarf bara að fá að sjá hvernig olíudælan og það skal vera græjað!

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er virkilega enginn hérna sem gæti mögulega vitað Þetta eða hjálpað mér að finna þetta?

Er búinn að reyna og reyna að leita en ekkert gengur og mig BRÁÐVANTAR þessar upplýsingar :?

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Er nokkuð viss, en ekki alvega samt að I olíudælan passi á IX blokk

En partanúmmerin á I blokk og IX blokk eru ekki þau sömu


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PostPosted: Fri 26. Aug 2005 00:22 
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Það er augljóslega munur á mótorfestingunum og slíku,
en væntanlega er umræddur mótor sá sem uri setti í gráa bílinn
og þar af leiðandi er búið að leysa það.

Ég þekki ekki nógu vel hvernig þetta olíudót lítur út, ég hefði spáð
því sjálfur að besta lausnin væri 325i olíudæla, pickup og panna,
en það þarf ekki að vera að það passi.

Bara leita betur á google, ég man eftir að hafa séð í grein um þetta.

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Þetta var eitthvað í sambandi við olíu dótið það er rétt,
325i dæla á að virka , en það var eitthvað möndl með olíuþrýstings ventilinn

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http://bimmer.roadfly.com/e30/messages/ ... /2609.html

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I am the internet wizard

HOWS UR GERMAN AY?

http://www.bmw-power.de/Schrauberecke/M ... ormal.html
The Internet wrote:

BMW Club Bischofswerda e.V.

Schraubertipp´s von Stephan Ullrich
Der Umbau eines M20ix-Blockes auf M20 Standardblock

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Im Rahmen des Motorumbaus organisiert ich mir einen Alpina C2 IX-Motor (Allradvariante), welcher samt Auto sehr preiswert war. Der Alpina Zusatztank und der Rest vom Auto wurde verschrottet bzw. verkauft. Lediglich der Motor samt Steuerteil und der Kabelbaum, sowie die Alpina Zusatzinstrumente wurden weiterverwendet. Nun ging es schon mit den Problemen los, da das Auto ein IX war und meiner ja nicht. Der Motor wurde komplett zerlegt und bei einer Revisionsfirma überholt. Die wichtigsten Umbaumaßnahmen um den Block bzw. Motor auch im normalen zum Laufen zu bringen sehen wie folgt aus:

- Ölwanne vom normalen 6 Zyl. Umbauen
- Ölpumpe vom normalen 6 Zyl. Einbauen.
- Gewinde für Öl Überdruckventil im Block (sitzt neben der Ölpumpe) einbohren/schneiden lassen bzw. Profis selber machen
Natürlich das dicke Überdruckventil dann auch in den Block schrauben, ist beim ix mit in der Pumpe integriert
- Antriebsstab von der normalen Pumpe mit umbauen, ix ist viel kürzer
- Wichtig in dem Atemzug die Zahnräder (Nebenwelle im Block und das Gegenrad) mit wechseln, sonst dreht die normale 6Zyl. Pumpe falsch rum und fördert kein Öl in den Kopf und der Öldruck bleibt aus! (Hab ich mitbekommen als der Motor lief und durfte ihn noch einmal halb auseinander bauen...
- Ein Loch muß in den Block gebohrt werden, welches an der normalen 6Zyl. Ölwanne dran ist aber im Block nicht da ist, damit die Wanne auch wirklich an allen Stellen festgeschraubt werden kann!
- Ix Motorhalter können nicht verwendet werden, Löcher am Block sind zwar in der selben Position, allerdings größer, d.h. Löcher an den Haltern aufbohren und dann passen die Halter vom normalen 6 Zyl. dran
- Ölmeßstab sitzt anders wie beim normalen, d.h. der Verschluß vom ix Stab mit einem Stopfen zu gemacht und auf der anderen Seite ein Loch in den Block bohren (lassen), eine Paßhülse einsetzen (lassen) und dann sollte auch der Ölmeßstab kein Problem mehr sein.
- Das Verbindungsblech zwischen Block und Getriebe muß ebenfalls vom normalen angebaut werden und natürlich auch das Unterteil, was dann auf der Ölwanne aufliegt, welches das Getriebe abschließt.

Um dem ganzen Problem Ölpumpe aus dem Weg zu gehen, kann man die ix Pumpe auch drin lassen und nur den Schnorchel (der beim ix in der anderen Ölwannenausbuchtung hängt) absägen, kürzen und umschweißen, damit alles in die Ausbuchtung der normalen 6Zyl. Wanne paßt, damit entfällt der Umbau der Zahnräder!
Ansonsten sollten keine weiteren Probleme mehr auftreten.

Viel Spaß dabei...

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ok.. takk fyrir þessar upplýsingar.. en ég kann ekki rassgat í þýsku fyrir utan "anbeiten" og "suchen" :? :lol:

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hmm.. babelfishaði þetta... :?


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BMW club Bischofswerda e.V. Schraubertipp's of Stephan Ullrich the change of a M20ix-Blockes on M20 standard block back in the context of the engine change I organize myself a Alpina C2 ix-engine (all wheel variant), which was very inexpensive including car. The Alpina auxiliary tank and the remainder of the car was scrapped and/or sold. The engine including control section and the wiring harness, as well as the Alpina of auxiliary instruments were only re-used. Now with the problems the car a IX already loosely, there were and mine were not. The engine was completely divided and overhauled at a revision company.

The most important structural alteration measures around the block and/or engine also in the normal to running to bring look as follows:
- oil pan of normal 6 Zyl. Changes
- oil pump of normal 6 Zyl. Insert.
- threads for oil relief valve in the block (sits beside the oil pump) to installation-ear/cut leave and/or professional to make natural the thick relief valve then also into the block to screw, are also in the pump integrated with the ix
- drive staff of the normal pump with changes, ix is much shorter
- important in the breath the gear wheels (countershaft in the block and the gegenrad) with change, otherwise the normal 6Zyl. pump turns wrongly rum and promotes no oil to the head and the oil pressure is missing! (have I received as the engine ran and was allowed it again half apart to build...
- a hole must be bored into the block, which is at the normal 6Zyl. oil pan to however in the block is not there, so that the tub can be also really screwed onto all places!
- Ix engine owners cannot be used, holes at the block are in the same position, however larger, i.e. holes to the holding to drill out and then fit the owners of normal 6 cylinders to
- dipstick sits differently as with the normal, i.e. the catch of the ix staff with a plug too made and on the other side a hole into the block bore (leave), a passhuelse begin (leave) and then should also the dipstick no more problem be.
- the connecting metal between block and transmission must be cultivated likewise by the normal and naturally also the lower part, which rests upon then the oil pan, which locks the transmission. In order to the whole problem of oil pump out of the way, one can go the ix pump also in it leave and only the snorkel (with the ix in the other oil pan projection hangs) saw off, shortens and to umschweissen, so that everything fits into the projection of the normal 6Zyl. tub, thus is void the change of the gear wheels! Otherwise no further problems should arise more. Much fun thereby...

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okay.. getur einhver hjálpað mér að meika meiri sens í þetta hérna!?

þetta er lykillinn að því afhverju dælan er ekki að sprauta upp í heddið!


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important in the breath the gear wheels (countershaft in the block and the gegenrad) with change, otherwise the normal 6Zyl. pump turns wrongly rum and promotes no oil to the head and the oil pressure is missing! (have I received as the engine ran and was allowed it again half apart to build...


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- Wichtig in dem Atemzug die Zahnräder (Nebenwelle im Block und das Gegenrad) mit wechseln, sonst dreht die normale 6Zyl. Pumpe falsch rum und fördert kein Öl in den Kopf und der Öldruck bleibt aus! (Hab ich mitbekommen als der Motor lief und durfte ihn noch einmal halb auseinander bauen...

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Ég fæ best skilið (enginn þýskusnillingur) að olíudælan í venjulegum 6 cyl
mótor snúist í öfuga átt miðað við iX dæluna.
Og þar af leiðandi dæli hún ekki rétt ef að henni er swappað út fyrir slíka..

Einhver sem er snjallari í þýsku?

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arnib wrote:
Ég fæ best skilið (enginn þýskusnillingur) að olíudælan í venjulegum 6 cyl
mótor snúist í öfuga átt miðað við iX dæluna.
Og þar af leiðandi dæli hún ekki rétt ef að henni er swappað út fyrir slíka..

Einhver sem er snjallari í þýsku?


já einmitt.. það er málið, nú þarf ég bara að finna út hvernig maður lagar það.. helvíti skítt að þurfa að taka aftur bíl sem maður var búinn að selja..
Finnst samt enn leiðinlegra fyrir þann sem keypti hann af mér, þar sem hann var búinn að eyða slatta af tíma og veseni í þetta, fyrir utan hvað það er ömurlegt að selja eitthvað sem á að vera í lagi og er það svo ekki. :?

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I don't know too much about the iX M20B25 engine but I have read that the engine is slightly different. I think it was in the BMW Companion ....oh yes here it is: 3 problems: The oil pump and relief valve are completely different. The oil pump runs backwards. The dipstick is in the wrong place.
Relocate the dipstick and plug the extra hole. Rework the oil pump suction tube to fit the "e" or "i" pan. A major problem here is that the BMW parts microfiche show all 325 models using the same auxiliary shaft. WRONG. Like the Turbo Diesel the iX drive opposite rotation.
If you have any of these parts lying around, you sure don't want them installed in a standard engine. The oil pump should pressurize the block, not scavenge it. The backwards shaft is easily identified by a circular groove machined into the front face where the drive sprocket mounts.
Sounds like fun...goodluck.


en þetta hér að ofan er úr fyrra svarinu hans Gunna.. ég er samt ekki að ná neinu pointi í þetta, er einhver sem á sniðmynd af M20B25 mótor? :?

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Rework the oil pump suction tube to fit the "e" or "i" pan. A major problem here is that the BMW parts microfiche show all 325 models using the same auxiliary shaft. WRONG. Like the Turbo Diesel the iX drive opposite rotation.
If you have any of these parts lying around, you sure don't want them installed in a standard engine. The oil pump should pressurize the block, not scavenge it. The backwards shaft is easily identified by a circular groove machined into the front face where the drive sprocket mounts.


ok... afhverju er ég ekki að fatta hvað hann meinar hérna? :oops:

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